Georgia Titles getting revoked for “Kei Vehicles”

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Georgia followed Maine and the other few states with revoking all Kei vehicle titles a few years ago, but nothing really happened until now. You, me and everyone else knows Delicas aren’t Kei vehicles but we’ve seen other states lump them into that category. Ignorance is bliss the lobbying groups responsible for things like this, but that’s not news to us. Georgia DOR just posted the attached notice stating all Kei vehicles titles will soon be revoked. They are stating that any tag office that titles a “Kei” recently has simply just “dropped the ball in follow through”. This is all under the guise of “safety”. Spare your comments of Delicas/keis/whatevers are safer than a model t that’s on the road, a motorcycle, or the rednecks riding in the bed of a truck. I’m not looking for those responses. I’m seeking anyone else from another state or here in Georgia that has or is currently dealing with this. No one I know who owns a delica has received a notice, yet, but a local kei van guy has. I know there are loopholes with Montana, so before just commenting “Montana LLC”, please only do so if you can give us Georgians some solid adversarial advice on the steps to make that happen. Much like you guys, I’ve poured so much time, money and joy into my van. They’ll have to pry it from my fingers to get me to just fold without a fight or a clever workaround.

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sk66 said:
and fake titles?
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I know, just kidding. It’s all so silly it really aggravates me that the only reason this is happening is for purely political reasons. People can buy and own assault weapons by the truck load but my little van isn’t safe. Ok that’s my rant, sorry to get political
 
Sorry you're going through this. This article describes more of the back story as to why this is happening.

jalopnik.com

More States Are Banning Legally Imported Cars And Nobody Will Say Why

The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators has identified just about every imported car as an "off-road vehicle."
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That article also mentions Virginia (where I live), and Pennsylvania, but we haven't yet had this happen in Virginia to my knowledge.

I've been thinking about contingency plans, like just selling the van, before it gets difficult to sell. I don't really want to do that, but neither do I want to own a vehicle I can't actually drive. I've thought of registering in NC where I have some family, but that's obviously illegal.

FWIW, when I registered in Virginia, they just added a bunch of zeros to the VIN when they were inputting the info into their database. The DMV clerk did it so naturally, I figured he'd dealt with weird VINs before and so they had an informal policy to just add zeros. But I doubt that approach would get past any scrutiny in Georgia, if they're clamping down.

I haven't heard any stories, but I know we have members from NY and Pennsylvania here, who seemingly are, or will be dealing with the same issue. And for that matter, what is DelicaUSA, who is based in Pennsylvania (and Japanese Classics, in Virginia), going to do if the state clamps down? Their entire business will be immediately crushed if/when the state decides to enforce.
 
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I just found this petition by Georgia owners. If enough people fight it, maybe there's hope.

www.change.org

Sign the Petition

Stop Georgias Ban on Kei Vehicles
www.change.org www.change.org


I'm curious if other imports are being sanctioned also. Like 40 year old Land Rovers, for example, and what their owners are doing to fight back.

Awhile back there was talk of legal action against the new policy by owners in Maine, but I don't know how that played out (not well I guess, if the Maine ban is still in place.)
 
Sputnik said:
I just found this petition by Georgia owners. If enough people fight it, maybe there's hope.

www.change.org

Sign the Petition

Stop Georgias Ban on Kei Vehicles
www.change.org www.change.org


I'm curious if other imports are being sanctioned also. Like 40 year old Land Rovers, for example, and what their owners are doing to fight back.

Awhile back there was talk of legal action against the new policy by owners in Maine, but I don't know how that played out (not well I guess, if the Maine ban is still in place.)
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yes thank you for sharing this!
 
sk66 said:
and fake titles?
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Yeah fake tities

My kei my favorite city runabout I’d be sad Washington State don’t do it

The gray market is big and growing daily
We the people + musketeers slogan

to the states under oppression fight make it right
 
Sputnik said:
Sorry you're going through this. This article describes more of the back story as to why this is happening.

jalopnik.com

More States Are Banning Legally Imported Cars And Nobody Will Say Why

The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators has identified just about every imported car as an "off-road vehicle."
jalopnik.com jalopnik.com

That article also mentions Virginia (where I live), and Pennsylvania, but we haven't yet had this happen in Virginia to my knowledge.

I've been thinking about contingency plans, like just selling the van, before it gets difficult to sell. I don't really want to do that, but neither do I want to own a vehicle I can't actually drive. I've thought of registering in NC where I have some family, but that's obviously illegal.

FWIW, when I registered in Virginia, they just added a bunch of zeros to the VIN when they were inputting the info into their database. The DMV clerk did it so naturally, I figured he'd dealt with weird VINs before and so they had an informal policy to just add zeros. But I doubt that approach would get past any scrutiny in Georgia, if they're clamping down.

I haven't heard any stories, but I know we have members from NY and Pennsylvania here, who seemingly are, or will be dealing with the same issue. And for that matter, what is DelicaUSA, who is based in Pennsylvania (and Japanese Classics, in Virginia), going to do if the state clamps down? Their entire business will be immediately crushed if/when the state decides to enforce.
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Sputnik, why would it be illegal to register your vehicle in another state (with family members address)
 
DelicaDream said:
Sputnik, why would it be illegal to register your vehicle in another state (with family members address)
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Corporations do this !!!


UPS fleet is Indiana plate and obviously they visit my house outside that territory
 
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Alright now i got ahold of my thoughts

The homeless here 99207 do what they wish with impunity. Rego/tabs out many years, also let’s mention Zero insurance probable with cop beacon of being transient all about the situation.

I will not surrender my title F that i have already paid once for me and three times for the slackers.

This feels like is a covid talk
During that scare my thought
WHO (states) handled this situation the best has my vote( loyalty ) most likely my retirement years

Get it together Gov. T were the people who pay for your vacation homes plural
Just a guess
G-day
 
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DelicaDream said:
Sputnik, why would it be illegal to register your vehicle in another state (with family members address)
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I can really only speak to Virginia laws, but in Virginia, if your vehicle is garaged within the state, you are required to register it in Virginia within 30 days. To register, you must be a Virginia resident and have a Virginia driver's license. A quick Google search suggests this is the case in Georgia and numerous other US states. If this wasn't the case, we'd probably all register our vehicles in whichever state is cheapest and most lenient, regardless of what state we reside in.

I don't know how much that is enforced in any state, and there are many cases where people don't do it (for example, full time, unemployed, out of state college students attending an accredited Virginia college are not required to register their vehicle in VA, but if they are employed, then they're required to register the vehicle in VA. And of course, there are people who don't want to pay state registration fees and property taxes, or want to avoid yearly vehicle inspections (and emissions inspections in some Northern Virginia counties), so they don't register in Virginia, but that's a misdemeanor subject to fines, etc. (If they're caught.)

Having a family member in another state registered the vehicle in that state, while garaging it in Virginia, as a Virginia resident, is not legal in Virginia. The reason (in the eyes of the law) being that registration fees and taxes would not go to Virginia, where the vehicle is primarily being used.


OTOH, I know that Montana allows Limited Liability Corps to register vehicles there, regardless of where that entity is based, and people use that policy to register their vehicles there to avoid taxes and emissions requirements for residents in the states in which they actually live, so maybe that's an option for anyone facing this ban. I have no idea about any legal issues in your state with this approach.
 
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Here's the rub, snowbirds, like me (Washington and Texas), who have many vehicles sometimes drive veh #1 to the other state, then next time, #2, then #3, so some vehicles go to different states and stay there for years. Does that mean each summer I have to re-register my vehicles.... That's a whole other conversation...
My point is, they can't make you register in one state of the other if you have multiple address', maybe you stay at your sisters house in another state each summer....
 
This is ridiculous. I say that as a Kei car owner. Luckily i register mine in a "friendly state". This needs to be appealed.

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