Low temp thermostat

JoeBillHill

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Does anyone out there run lower temp thermostats? 76 vs the stock 82 or 88?
I'm reading a little on it and getting the back and forth opinions from the internet.
So I figured I'd see if I couldn't get the back and forth opinions of Delica owners!
 
IDT there's any real benefit to a low temp thermostat; it only sets the minimum temp when cooling/circulation begins. I think diesels like to be pretty well warmed up anyway...

On our vans I think there might be some benefit to using a high pressure radiator cap instead. That would increase the boiling temp of the coolant and reduce the possibility of localized boiling/overheating (cracked heads). The only problem is that I don't know how much pressure the system can handle...
 
Does anyone out there run lower temp thermostats? 76 vs the stock 82 or 88?
You're going to like this: the stock thermostat for a 4D56 Turbo is 76.2C. (82C thermostats are for non-turbo engines, 88C thermostats for some petrol models). Workshop manual section 14 page 14 - 16. So if you're running a hotter thermostat feel free to swap it for the cooler one.

I noticed the manual lists the ratings of the various radiators. The biggest petrol radiator is 155kj/hr, where the turbodiesel radiator is 214kj/hr. So even the largest petrol radiator is only 70% the size Mitsubishi intended.

The only problem is that I don't know how much pressure the system can handle...
The workshop manual says 11-15psi (0.75-1bar). Mostly I see 0.9bar (13psi) radiator caps.
 
IDT there's any real benefit to a low temp thermostat; it only sets the minimum temp when cooling/circulation begins. I think diesels like to be pretty well warmed up anyway...
That's kinda what I figured. If it's engineered to a temperature then I feel you would want to keep it at that for fuel combustion and everything else. Once it's hotter than that too it doesn't matter since the thermostat is open anyways.
Evan is trying to sell me on a "cooler" thermostat but it's 76.5 so that seems right to me.

You're going to like this: the stock thermostat for a 4D56 Turbo is 76.2C. (82C thermostats are for non-turbo engines, 88C thermostats for some petrol models). Workshop manual section 14 page 14 - 16. So if you're running a hotter thermostat feel free to swap it for the cooler one.

I noticed the manual lists the ratings of the various radiators. The biggest petrol radiator is 155kj/hr, where the turbodiesel radiator is 214kj/hr. So even the largest petrol radiator is only 70% the size Mitsubishi intended.


The workshop manual says 11-15psi (0.75-1bar). Mostly I see 0.9bar (13psi) radiator caps.
Ha. I was just going off the delica.ca wiki. I should really just start consulting the manual.. I believe I've got the right one since it was from amazing auto imports (i can't remember what it opened at when I tested it) but I'll get another one from Evan
Just have to hope the old radiator holds up till Seattle!
 
True. That's what I've been doing for a bit now. Keeping it within the marks and pulling over to let her cool down if need be. Luckily boise to seattle through 84 is relatively flat. The truckers are going to hate me more than ever now though!
 
The FSM does state a 76C thermostat, and the EPC confirms that MD997606 is the correct one for a 91 P25W, but every source I find for this thermostat says it's 82C. Anyone know what's up?
 
The FSM does state a 76C thermostat, and the EPC confirms that MD997606 is the correct one for a 91 P25W, but every source I find for this thermostat says it's 82C. Anyone know what's up?
It really makes little/no difference... it only affects the minimum temp at which the thermostat opens and allows cooling to begin. If I had to choose, I would choose the higher temp for a diesel.
 
It affects the normal operating temperature of the engine, particularly the top end. With an engine known for cylinder head issues, stuffed into a van, it could mean the difference between an uneventful hillclimb and a blown headgasket. There are benefits to higher operating temperatures, mostly higher thermal efficiency and therefore a little economy, and on a mechanical diesel the ignition advances, resulting in yet more power and efficiency. There are drawbacks: higher thermal stress, lower margin of error in case of overheating, and hotter intake temperatures result in less dense intake air, which may or may not lose more power than gained.

Running too cool can cause problems, too. My thermostat is currently either stuck or missing, and while I'd consider a lower temperature than stock, I would never run an engine hotter than any of its OEM thermostat options unless it and the cooling system were significantly modified. 76C is fairly low for this kind of engine, and I'm certain they went that low and changed from the non-turbo for good reason.

Anectodal datapoints:
Switching from an 85C to a 95C thermostat picked up ~6% economy in an EFI gasser.
I've noticed a correlation between oil consumption and vehicles with stuck or missing 'stats. Of course, both can be caused by the same thing: neglect of maintenance. In one case, a 4D55 cured its significant oil burning a few hundred miles after replacing a missing thermostat. Could be coincidence?

Anyone have any Delica-specific datapoints?
 
It affects the normal operating temperature of the engine, particularly the top end.
How can a thermostat affect the top end operating temp? It simply opens at the minimum operating temp. And once it's open, it might as well be non-existent because it does nothing (until the engine cools below minimum again).
Maybe if you got a high flow thermostat, but that could only help reduce the max temp reached.

What you're talking about sounds more like a high pressure radiator cap... to help keep the coolant from boiling.
 
Sorry, I meant top end of the motor - cylinders and head - not the upper limit of coolant temperature. You're right, that once the thermostat opens fully, it may as well not exist, apart from being a flow restrictor even when open. If the engine generates more heat than the radiator can dissipate, it will overheat regardless of what thermostat is in there.

Engine operating temperature (as measured at the coolant*) is an equilibrium point where the heat dissipation rate of the radiator matches the heat generation rate of the motor. On a properly-designed system, the equilibrium point is well below what the thermostat is set for and the engine ideally wants, so to bring up the temperature to optimum (however that's determined), a thermostat prevents the radiator from cooling if the coolant is below the thermostat's setting. Unless the motor puts out more heat than the radiator can dump - which it normally should not, even on a Delica - a lower-temperature thermostat will maintain lower coolant temperatures than a higher-temp one, and anything the coolant touches (such as the cylinder head) will also run cooler under normal conditions.

*To go deeper down this rabbit hole, operating temperature should be considered the average between hot coolant going to the radiator and colder coolant coming back.

OE temp gauges aren't hard data, but FWIW my 'stat-less Delica runs between the lowest mark and the lower normal mark most of the time. It took a hillclimb at 30C to get it ~1/4 of the way up the gauge. As far as the cooling system goes (disregarding heatsoak and components that the coolant doesn't touch), it's a proper system whose cooling capacity is greater than its heating capacity.

Some approximate numbers based on 4D55 data with an actual temp gauge:
No tstat, steady 100kph, ambient temps 20C, the motor puts out enough heat and the radiator dumps enough that equilibrium is 45C
No tstat, full power at 100kph, ambient 20C, equilibrium is 60C
No tstat, steady 100kph, ambient 35C, equilibrium is 55C
No tstat, full power on a dynamometer with no radiator fan, ambient 45C, equilibrium is 180C (kaboom!)
With tstat, steady 100kph, ambient temps 20C, equilibrium is 95C with the thermostat 25% open
With tstat, full power at 100kph, ambient 20C, equilibrium is 95C with the thermostat 75% open
With tstat, full power at 100kph, ambient 35C, equilibrium is 95C with the thermostat 90% open
With tstat, full power on a dyno with no fan, ambient 45C, equilibrium is still 180C and the thermostat is wide open
 
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With tstat, steady 100kph, ambient temps 20C, equilibrium is 95C with the thermostat 25% open
With tstat, full power at 100kph, ambient 20C, equilibrium is 95C with the thermostat 75% open
With tstat, full power at 100kph, ambient 35C, equilibrium is 95C with the thermostat 90% open
How the heck did you measure % open?
 
Not directly. The temperatures are more or less as-measured, but thermostat openings are guesses based on a few things, including the percentage of operating temperature the engine reaches under same conditions with the thermostat removed (the relationship is non-linear). The opening percentages are just for illustrative purposes.
 
Hello guy's I'm looking for Low temp 71c for my Delica Starwagon P35W 4d56t. Do you know where I can found this ? Without doing one order from T3 or Delicawork ? Or kind of alternative like low temp from pajero ? Thank guy's
 
Hello guy's I'm looking for Low temp 71c for my Delica Starwagon P35W 4d56t. Do you know where I can found this ? Without doing one order from T3 or Delicawork ? Or kind of alternative like low temp from pajero ? Thank guy's
The correct thermostat MD997606 crosses to the 2.3L diesel Mighty Max from the mid 80's.
 
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